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		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://marilynfenn.com/drawing-vs-painting-more-artists-to-look-at/" title="Drawing vs. Painting: More Artists to Look At"><img src="http://marilynfenn.com/wp-content/uploads/yapb_cache/rothenberg_horse1.ab7ysrx7iwgs0go0swckgg880.a9sxxja1njksswcs400wcc4cg.th.png" width="180" height="104" alt="Drawing vs. Painting: More Artists to Look At" style="float:left;padding:0 10px 10px 0;" ></a>Painting by Susan Rothenberg &#8220;Triphammer Bridge&#8221; 1974 Synthetic polymer paint and tempera on canvas 67 1/8&#8243; x 9&#8242; 7 3/8&#8243; More Notes from Art School, SAIC, 1991 More artists to look at: Leon Golub: lots of layers, painting, disrupting it, etc. Roche Rabell de Kooning Rothenburg: investigation of same form; break it down, open it [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="http://marilynfenn.com/drawing-vs-painting-more-artists-to-look-at/" title="Drawing vs. Painting: More Artists to Look At"><img src="http://marilynfenn.com/wp-content/uploads/yapb_cache/rothenberg_horse1.ab7ysrx7iwgs0go0swckgg880.a9sxxja1njksswcs400wcc4cg.th.png" width="180" height="104" alt="Drawing vs. Painting: More Artists to Look At" style="float:left;padding:0 10px 10px 0;" ></a><p><em>Painting by Susan Rothenberg<br />
&#8220;Triphammer Bridge&#8221;<br />
1974<br />
Synthetic polymer paint and tempera on canvas<br />
67 1/8&#8243; x 9&#8242; 7 3/8&#8243;</em></p>
<h4>More Notes from Art School, SAIC, 1991</h4>
<p><em></em>More artists to look at:</p>
<p><span id="more-17"></span></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.artnet.com/usernet/awc/awc_thumbnail.asp?AID=139848&#038;GID=139848&#038;CID=15785&#038;page=1&#038;recs=6&#038;MaxPages=17&#038;works_of_art=1" rel="external">Leon Golub</a>: lots of layers, painting, disrupting it, etc.</li>
<li>Roche Rabell</li>
<li><a href="http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/citi/search?artist=Kooning&amp;keyword=&amp;search=search" rel="external">de Kooning</a></li>
<li><a href="http://images.google.com/images?q=susan+Rothenberg&amp;hl=en&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;hs=ZSQ&amp;pwst=1&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=images&amp;ct=title" rel="external">Rothenburg</a>: investigation of same form; break it down, open it up, more abstracted.  Space horse is in; deconstructing, reconstructing.  Another layer of movement added by lines.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.artnet.com/Artists/ArtistHomePage.aspx?artist_id=16275&amp;page_tab=Artworks_for_sale" rel="external">Donald Sultan</a>, <a href="http://www.clyffordstill.net/art/art.html" rel="external">Clyfford Still</a> &#8211; idea of shape.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.artmulti.se/paladinopage_1.htm" rel="external">Palladino</a></li>
<li>*<a href="http://www.artnet.com/Artists/ArtistHomePage.aspx?artist_id=19606&amp;page_tab=Artworks_for_sale" rel="external">Louisa Chase</a>; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Frankenthaler" rel="external">Frankenthaler</a></li>
<li>*<a href="http://www.forrestbess.org/paintings.html" rel="external">Forest Bess</a> &#8211; visionary abstraction.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.brooklynrail.org/2007/4/artseen/taafee" rel="external">Phillip Taffe</a> &#8211; simplified landscape.</li>
<li><a href="http://wwar.com/masters/b/baziotes-william.html" rel="external">Baziotes</a>, <a href="http://www.speronewestwater.com/cgi-bin/iowa/artists/related.html?record=5&amp;info=works&amp;view=Inventory%20Number&amp;item=157" rel="external">Jonathon Lasker</a> &#8211; the role of line.</li>
<li><a href="http://images.google.com/images?q=Louise+Bourgeois&amp;hl=en&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;hs=l6l&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=images&amp;ct=title" rel="external">Louise Bourgeois</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.askart.com/askart/s/gary_stephan/gary_stephan.aspx" rel="external">Gary Stephen</a></li>
<li><a href="http://images.google.com/images?q=Terry+Winters&amp;hl=en&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;hs=HbR&amp;pwst=1&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=images&amp;ct=title" rel="external">Terry Winters</a></li>
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<p>Figuration and abstraction.<br />
How ideas are developed.<br />
Comes from nature.<br />
Look at source periodically.</p>
<p>Can you not go back and be very particular after moving fast, getting abstract?</p>
<p>Look at:<br />
<a title="Richard Diebenkorn" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Diebenkorn" rel="external">Diebenkorn</a> <a title="Diebenkorn's missing works" href="http://www.diebenkorn.org/missing/missing.html" target="_blank">(Diebenkorn&#8217;s missing works)</a> &#8211; colors on cigar box top &#8211; beautiful: Yellow, lavendar, green, pink, peach, white &#8211; <span style="font-style: italic;">very</span> pale with strip of red, brown.  Archeological presence of landscape &#8211; strata, layers.</p>
<p><a title="Giorgio Morandi" href="http://www.metmuseum.org/special/giorgio_morandi/images.asp" rel="external">Giorgio Morandi</a> &#8211; simplicity of shapes.  The less there is to look at, the more you look at it (a specific edge).  Drawing aspect vs. painting aspect &#8211; how to find out from different material.</p>
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<li><a title="Paul Klee" href="http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/klee/hd_klee.htm" rel="external">Paul Klee</a> &#8211; still lifes.</li>
<li><a title="Gregory Gillespie" href="http://www.forumgallery.com/current_off1.php?id=155" rel="external">Gregory Gillespie</a> &#8211; very intense &#8211; collage (too tight) + wonderfully encrusted walls.</li>
<li><a title="William Bailey" href="http://www.crownpoint.com/artists/bailey" rel="external">William Bailey</a></li>
<li><a title="Nicholas de Stael" href="http://www.artnet.com/magazine_pre2000/reviews/klein/klein12-30-97.asp" rel="external">Nicholas de Stael</a></li>
<li><a title="Pat Steir" href="http://www.crownpoint.com/artists/steir" rel="external">Pat Stier</a> &#8211; 3 still lifes.</li>
<li><a title="Giacometti" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Giacometti" rel="external">Giacometti</a> &#8211; drawing as a presence in the painting.</li>
<li><a title="Brice Marden" href="http://www.matthewmarks.com/index.php?n=1&amp;a=111&amp;im=1" rel="external">Brice Marden</a> &#8211; calligraphic, gets looser as time goes by, more figurative. <a title="Brice Marden interview" href="http://www.brooklynrail.org/2006/10/art/brice-marden" rel="external">Great interview</a> here.</li>
<li><a title="Joan M itchell" href="http://www.walkerart.org/archive/F/AB73A12875B83DFF6165.htm" rel="external">Joan Mitchell</a> &#8211; <a title="Joan M itchell" href="http://www.walkerart.org/archive/F/AB73A12875B83DFF6165.htm" rel="external"></a><a title="Joam Mitchell" href="http://www.askart.com/askart/m/joan_mitchell/joan_mitchell.aspx" rel="external">more of Joan Mitchell</a></li>
<li><a title="Mel Bochner" href="http://www.melbochner.net/" rel="external">Mel Bochner</a> drawings &#8211; lines of force.</li>
<li><a title="Romare Bearden" href="http://www.beardenfoundation.org/index2.shtml" rel="external">Romare Bearden</a> &#8211; NOT flat collages.</li>
<li>*<a title="Charles Burchfield" href="http://www.askart.com/AskART/B/charles_ephraim_burchfield/charles_ephraim_burchfield.aspx" rel="external">Charles Burchfield</a></li>
<li><a title="Kenny Sharf" href="http://www.kennyscharf.com/pages/1983/index.html" rel="external">Kenny Sharf</a> <a title="Kenny Sharf" href="http://www.kennyscharf.com/pages/1985/index.html" target="my_window"><br />
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<li><a title="Malcom Morley" href="http://www.artnet.com/artist/12104/malcolm-morley.html" rel="external">Malcolm Morley</a></li>
<li><a title="Sherrie Levine" href="http://www.whitney.org/www/2008biennial/www/?section=artists&amp;page=artist_levine" target="_blank">Sherrie Levine</a></li>
<li>Jan Cherkey (?)</li>
<li><a title="Melissa Miller" href="http://www.utexas.edu/utpress/books/milmel.html" rel="external">Melissa Miller</a></li>
<li><a title="Matta" href="http://www.matta-art.com/" target="my_window">Roberto Matta</a>, <a title="Matta" href="http://www.matta-art.com/" target="_blank">more<br />
</a></li>
<li><a title="Robert Stackhouse" href="http://www.artnet.com/magazine/features/cassidy/cassidy3-26-01.asp" rel="external">Robert Stackhouse</a>, more</li>
<li>Jake Barlow (Batow?)</li>
<li><a title="Ross Bleckner" href="http://www.rbleckner.com/" rel="external">Ross Bleckner</a></li>
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